Monday, September 19, 2016

History of the Slovenes. Trace indigenous language, and later Indo-European.

Slovene History and Language. The Veneti? 
Weeding out political interference and other peoples' nationalism.

Linguistics. Examine connections between Sanskrit and Slovene, for example, and figure out when the two branches merged. Can it be done? Some sites claim that the Slovenes are South Slavic in language. See
  • For Slovenes, this is a disparagement. Slavs have been seen as somehow less than Indo-Europeans see the debate about origins, in the book, Veneti: First Builders of European Community, Tracing the History and Language of Early Ancestors of Slovenes by Dr. Jožko Šavli, Matej Bor, and Ivan Tomažič in 1988.  Who are they? A professor, a linguist and a priest.  See this review of History of the Slovenes in Europe by Anton Skerbinc, at

The view at History of the Slovenes in Europe is different. The claim there is that the Slovenes are not South Slavs coming to the area in the 6th Century, thus mere interlopers and not indigenous, as had been argued (largely for reasons of nationalism?). As interlopers, they could be subject to forced assimilation.

Instead, they are West Slavs, related to the Urnfield people of Central Europe, Venetic, descended from the earliest known people there, with a long, long history, see site. In 2000 BCE, the languages of the Slovenes (indigenous Slavic), and the language of the later-arriving Indo-Europeans merged.

Now turn to The Linguistic Roots of Europe, Origin and Development of European Languages, ed. Robert Mailhammer et al, (2015), and find a resolution: There is a mix of influences despite the greater numbers of Slavs and others' adoption of their language. Meet the Finnic language speakers, and the Norse. The topic arises not only for Slovenia, but in what is now Russia. Find a "symbiotic relationship" among the Norse, who were the elite and spoke, yes, Norse; the  Chuds in the Novgorod-Pskov area (who spoke Finnic, perhaps now South Estonian) and the Slovenes who both were the "people", spoke Slavic).  See page 92.

The traces of earlier languages remain. Language roots can indeed provide clues to history. The history of any people is impacted by later barrages of nationalism or other rewrites of history, however, to suit some self-image. So history as taught becomes one with ideology.  What are students taught in Slovenia? There is a strong effort to Slavicize Russian history, apparently. Has it spread.  Look at this video of expansion of the Slavs, at The assumption is that numbers and language mean dominant influence, and that is not so. Who made this video?  It looks Slavic motivational, which would be fine if disclosed.

 1.  Flaws in generalizing.  A dominant influence can come from an elite group, not the masses who outnumber them; rulers from another group such as the Scandinavian Rurikids ruling the Slavs among the Rus from 862-1598, a matter not addressed by the pretty colors here. Slovenes were numerous but did not rule.

2.  Narratives are split on the origins and impact Slavs. The problem remains that these kinds of simplistic color-coordinated displays show none of the population-cultural mixes that shaped the larger group, even dominated it.  Linguistics is not domination.  The point:  Evidence is out there, but it is twisted and turns with nationalism driving out history and inserting whatever.  I think we knew that before. Some researching comes up with no vast conclusions, just an appreciation for scholarship.

Tuesday, July 19, 2016

Melania Knavs Trump: Speechgate. Not her doing? Update. Yes, substantially her doing.

Speechgate. A fine Slovenian now American, meets pitfalls in American politics. Alone.
Melania Knavs Trump; or Melania Knauss Trump.  

Update 7.20.2016
No, Melania did not stand out there alone speaking words of another in ignorance. Three are responsible:  Melania herself, who proposed the words after rejecting a speech prepared by hired professionals for the purpose;  a staffer, Meredith McIver, who included her recollection of them in requested revisions, without seeking backup review, as well as Donald Trump for failure to supervise, stay informed, plan, grasp context and issues.
It turns out that Melania justifiably bears substantial responsibility for the inclusion of the words of Michelle Obama, the First Lady,in Melania's speech. Events are laid out now, so far, in letter of admission of role from staffer Meredith McIver, at
  • Melania had received a proposed speech from professional speechwriters hired by the campaign.  That proposed speech contained no words of Michelle Obama.  
  • Melania sought revisions, and turned, not to the professionals hired for the purpose, but to a campaign staffer, Meredith McIver. Bio: See Who is Melania Trump's Speech Writer Meredith McIver?Time Magazine article by Melissa Chan 7.20.2016, 
  • For the desired revisions, Melania had researched words of Michelle Obama, whom she admires. Others? She proposed to Ms. McIver the words of Michelle Obama for inclusion, no information as to further directions.
  • Staffer Meredith McIver listened to Melania read the words of Mrs. Obama over the phone, as I understand it, then put her own recollection (McIver's) of those words in the revised speech for Melania.  

Melania Knavs Trump delivered a speech at the big political right's convention here last night July 18, her speech offering words apparently lifted out of the 2008 mouth of then-candidate's wife Michelle Obama. Watch the clips yourself, read. See as a start as information develops,

Melania is well regarded.  See  Here is the big problem:

It is the candidate's failure to protect, failure to keep his own wife safe. And this in a time of putting safety first.  Safety takes anticipation of issues, preparation, execution of a plan to protect.  He failed.

Accordingly, it is that the candidate himself, by failure of organization and perspective and taking steps to avoid this elementary politically predictable pitfall, did not protect his wife before or after.  He did not prepare her for the issues that any spotlight on words brings here; did not control his staff and set parameters.

Why don't you speak for yourself, Melania, echoing Priscilla to John Alden in our early colonies.

Addendum 7.20.2016:  Whose is the greater fault in this fiasco of plagiarism?  Donald and MM --the M&M's:  Melania and McIver. 
First, Donald Trump. Negligent supervision, negligent delegation, willful ignorance, failure to plan, failure to assess, failure to set systems in place to avoid predictable disasters stemming from loose cannons. 
Second, Melania Trump. Theft of merit. Theft of reputation. Theft of our consent, our right to informed consent in whether to support her or her husband or not. Is there such a right? Add to the platform. Gross negligence where she had a duty of care to all of us and the campaign, is that so?
 Melania knew or should have known that holding out the words of Michelle Obama as Melania's own is a false representation, a stealing of something of value. She was not acting out of ignorance. She herself proposed the words. Anyone an look up plagiarism.. See What constitutes plagiarism? Using sources, Harvard University.

Legal recourse? Not appropriate at all. A consequence can be its own punishment.
Third, Meredith McIver.  Last clear chance. Duty of care again. She knew or should have known that no speech should be given in this setting without backup approval. She knew or should have known that Melania would rely on her revised speech and may not seek backup approval elsewhere. Negligent contracting? Is there such? She accepted work for which she knew or should have known she is not qualified; how to deal with source material, see internet source above. Quiz on Friday. Failure of judgment, reflecting the risks of loose-cannon campaigning, see Donald Trump, above.

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[DELETE] I see no-one casting aspersions directly or substantially on Melania Trump for plagiarism.  She, as any politician's surrogate, was put in this position unawares.  She more likely received a prepared speech, altered this or that, and delivered it.  Point fingers not at her, but at the speech preparers, who did not keep connected the source of research on similar speeches (so hers would be effective as well) with the snippets apparently lifted and pasted. Without advance warning of questions, she noted that she wrote the speech, spontaneously, but that can be walked back if inaccurate, and should be if so. 

There are aspersions, and substantial aspersions at this point, all justified.

DELETE] It is not the speechwriter who can be Fired for a YUUUge mistake prejudicing the politics du jour against the candidate and his wife.

Yes, under the facts, she can, for her role as it is now known. She has offered resignation [see letter of admission] and is still retained.

Monday, February 25, 2013

Kranj: Cardinal in Trouble. Deja Vu? Franc Frantar.

Finding the Story Behind the Statue
Franc Frantar?
Franj; or Ljubljana?

Dan and I came across this watering trough with a drowning Cardinal (see the hat? or is that a bishop's hat? or perhaps just a priest?), watched over as he goes under by a sad lady who is not an angel, no wings, and no halo, and not really looking like a Mary, and a monster beneath the water.  At first, seeing just the photo from the card, I thought it was Croatia.  No luck locating it.  Now I am looking at Dan's log, there at his feet, and the chronology of his nightly entries puts this in Kranj, Slovenia; or possibly Llubjlana. The location in the notes looks like Kranj. Or Ljubljana, not far.  The Cathedral in Ljubljana dates from the mid-15th Century, but this is a new grouping.

What issue is being addressed? Who is the Cardinal, or Bishhop? Or priest? Spoiler:  We now think this is Franc Frantar. And he was just a priest, but how did he manage to escape temporarily to Malawi with prosecution pending for child abuse, except for collaboration with a Bishop?  See FN 1

Our research:  Who knows more?  Why is this Cardinal-Bishop-Priest drowning?  What other scenario fits.

I.  First I did a search for Cardinal-drowning-monster.

That brought up a site for survivors of sexual abuse by priests, see So is this statuary scene part of the
drumbeat of scandal, or merely happenstance, and a local story we haven't found yet? 

In the National Survivor Advocates site are Biblical references to the manner of death shown here, but the wording does not definitely tie in with child sexual abuse.  The wording is "offend" children -- with warnings that anyone who does so should have millstones cast around their necks and drowned.  

Without taking a position on the religious interpretation, that the manner of offending referenced here is abuse.  FYI -- here is the reference, with our emphases and comment that at the least, the meaning of the original Greek was to ensnare not just "offend":
  • Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. [Offend is not the transliterated word;  ensnare is, see Strong's word numbering G4624, with Greek letters phonetically like skandallsE (scandal?), see]
  • Mark 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. [Offend? Merely offend? Again, the word in transliteration is not "offend" but "ensnare", see G4624,]
Research continuing, and it appears that the Catholic Latin Vulgate and Douay Rheims come close to the Greek snare and scandalize, but that the King James and other Protestant versions use the washy "offense" and ambiguity more.  See;; Protestants:  your wording softpedals the snare.  See: says not to cause the little ones to stumble, or make trouble for them, cause a little one to sin.  Is the act of ensnaring, scandalizing, merely that?

II.  Second, I went back to Dan's entry in the green log at his feet in the picture. Dan has Down syndrome, but that does not hold him back. He writes down details that I do not, and then regret omitting.

  • Dan's entry:  "stature of man drown with octopois stature the lady folding her hands and looking at man I am beside her with tree ...." This is located as the sentence after another statue we saw, of Slovenia's paramount poet, the 19th Century Dr. France Preseren 1800-1849.  And the next entry showed Kranj to Zagreb, Croatia. The preceding entry is for Ljubljana and Lake Bled.

III.   Moving on with Dan's information - search for cleric, sexual abuse, Slovenia this time, not Croatia.

I found Wikipedia, a good starting point, but vet it yourself.  

  • Information:  Archdiocese of Ljubljana, Franc Frantar, who was detained (it says) in 2006 for "sexual abuse of up to 16 minors."  He was sentenced to prison 5 years, after having escaped to Malawi to be a missionary there, then returned to Slovenia once an Interpol warrant issued.  See Problem:  Wiki ran into a dead end in finding more about that name.  
  • Do a search for it, however, and a Franc Frantar appears in Slovenian articles.   
Franc Frantar:  A/k/a Franci Frantar, spellings always can vary with translation.

Search those articles, click on translate, and  the first link found does indicate in translation that he was convicted of child abuse and served some time and has been paroled, see Franc Frantar. 
Will want to check the others.  Where is he now?  On parole with  no restrictions?  Sixteen convictions, or just one?

Friday, January 18, 2013

Vends. The Expunged, Ancient Dynasty of Carantania. Propaganda in Identify Theft. The denied Slavica Lex. Beatrice, of Charlemagne's Line, Denied.

Vendic, Carantanian Peoples Largely Expunged by History
But Very Alive. 

Update NYT on Swabians, male-supremacist culture, who conquered Slovenia, where Vends, and power to women as well as men, had prevailed:

Carantania. Long gone. 
Vends. Long gone. But with traces.

 And Swabians.  One may prevail over the other, but in the long term, which brings stability, growth for all aspects of the culture.

Why pay attention to history, especially in a country like Slovenia, small in size, not now a major power, which once was Carantania. What do the Slovenians, as a currently undervalued population in terms of military and commercial control, know of the heritage that once was. Great topic. Go from there to others - indigenous Mexicans - some day we will go there and do a Mexico Road Ways that highlights the glories of any people later taken over, used.

Good reason to look at History:  Women in Power.  In some Western countries, it is considered unusual for a woman to exert political power.  Look back.  Old Carantania rising! As Hillary Clinton's supporters express dismay and anger, that the Democratic party rejected her candidacy for President of the United States, look back at the broader (!) view of history. How culturally-imposed is a perception that women do not belong in leadership positions; and if culture, not "nature", can be be juggled.  If founded in genetics, by what proof.  We know that the X gene is large and stable, and the y gene is little and squiggy and diminishing.  Does that count? Or does it explain.
is any of that relevant. Here, fair use thumbnail from  Big X, squig of a y for men;  correlate two Big X's for women.  Who is powerful?

Girls look back

 Are any of us totally bound by our history, or the history others impose on us.  Can we, by education and perspective, change current cultural values -- as not etched in stone at all. Just cultural, and flawed as serving the interests in power at the time they imposed their power.

Identity theft gives a clue: What was there once here, was stolen. See the theft at work here in Slovenia, of female place in power with full capacity to act, in the Vendic culture, the peoples known as the Vends, in broad areas of the now-Germany, and Slovenia, with similarities to the Celts.

Best site so far: See Vendic culture at, we suggest, by the macho Germanic types, Swabians; and later the Habsburgs (Austria); and specifically, loss of the grand tradition of the ancient Slavica Lex in establishing succession rights for both male and female. Is this right? Follow along. The Carantanian dynasties are also known as "Medieval Slovenian Vendic (Slovenian) State." See the site above.

Start with history and the place of men and women.

In Slovenia, political change was forced, as usual. Go to your map and see where we are. We are looking at the old Carantanian dynasties of Slovenia, that were overcome by the German Swabians.

German Swabian invaders.  They are still on the move, see NYT (this an update 2013)  There, Swabians in Berlin are throwing around their tasty spaetzle or spatzle as the Times spells it, seeking autonomous districts for their identity.

 Swabians:  No wonder they push so hard.  Their buildings, even in the middle ages, were huge.  See their town, Schwabisch Hall, town named for the Swabians of old, at Germany Road Ways Schwabisch Hall, Swabians.

  • Swabian history:  Swabians made their mark in many places, including Sicily, the Crusades. The Swabians were different from another group living in Germany and Slovenia at the time,  the Vends. TheVendic laws and customs were nothing like the Swabians. So: from which group do present Germans derive, the Swabians or the Vends.

But it was the Swabians that took over Slovenia, and in so doing, the Swabians cast aside a basic tenet of the old Lex Slavica, the Slavic law, that did not differentiate between succession by a female or a male. And this change, this barring of female succession and legal rights to act, affected every land that the Germans took over after that. Scroll down the left-side margin at the site, for all the topics.

To the Germans from the North, no. No woman could take the throne. And so it went. And this was also true for the Jewish cultures. Capacity to act, juridical capacity, was a male prerogative. See site. Vends also lived in Eastern and Central Germany (not the same borders then) and there are Vendic names of people and towns. See site. Near the Elbe River is "Vendland." [do they make square burgers at Vendy's?] Bavaria used to be Vendelicia. site.

Read :// We were looking up the geneology of Premysl Ottokar II, father of the good Wenceslas, and found this chronology, roughly. Who has time to do all the research on a topic like this, so we lay this one out to encourage replies:

Rough chronology:

1. Tenth Century Slovenia was comprised of a combination of Franks and Slovenians, based on the old "Carantanian" social structure, with leaders from the villages elected to a general assembly. Lords, however, were hereditary. There were three major dynasties or "houses." The people were "Vends" - a population that spread through much also of eastern and central Germany. See the German maypoles today, and traces of the custom to the Vends. See Germany Road Ways, Maypoles; and Germany Road Ways, Vends.

2. One "house" connected to the Swabians in Germany (currently in Germany) through Beatrice; this "house" produced the dynasty of Carantania. Not entirely clear on details, this is only so far.

3. This dynasty is significant because Carantanian law permitted succession to any child, male or female. The last duke of this line was Ulric III in 1269, and he appointed our research subject, Otokar II, to the throne - Otokar was King of Bohemia, in the current Czech Republic. See Czech Republic Road Ways - Hluboka nad Vltavou. Otokar was a maternal cousin.

Then, in time, the Swabians from Germany, who also went to Sicily, see a Schwabian town at Germany Road Ways, Schwabisch Hall. the Habsburgs from Austria took over, and - stay with us here - the German and Habsburg line refused to recognize the Carantanian dynasty or its laws, and imposed instead, the German.

4. The old Carantanian law was known as the "Slavica Lex" and soon diminished in influence, and understanding. This means no more female succession in the Carantanian lands. Yet, even today, the Swabian coat of arms in Germany bears the reference to Beatrice, and the female succession from the Carantanian and Slavica lex, law of the Slavs.

5. And it is Beatrice who is of Carolingian descent - from Charlemagne. She is considered the "mother" of the two houses of Carantania.

6. In the 14th Century, the Habsburgs from Austria took over Slovenia. More Germanic roots. See ://

Soon the Carantanian culture was so downtrodden that the Slovenian people were referred to by the rulers only as "historical serfs." See site.

In the 15th and 16th Centuries, in came Turkish influence. See :// And in 1572-73, the peasants' revolt. One system of laws followed by another with each cultural overrun, and none serving the needs of the Slovenes. Uprisings continued until the mid 18th century.

In current times, according to site, this attitude followed through to Serbia and the old Yugoslavia, of which Slovenia was a part, in imposing from Belgrade a "cheap instrument for their ideological and political manipulation."

Other devalued populations today. Probably not "inherently" so - who did what to them when.

Wednesday, June 06, 2012

Kranj. Slovene origins, Slovakian myths: Carantania. The Flood

How the earth was created, by whom, what elements of life are to be valued and pursued, are part of any culture's traditions.  In Slovenia, the contemporary Austrian "look" of the country, from its long association with the old Austro-Hungarian Empire, and its medieval castles and the peasants' revolts that surged also elsewhere, distract from older traditions.  Go beyond Jason and the Golden Fleece, to origins.

A good source site is  There are elements of Genesis, pre-Genesis, references to the beings in existence that Genesis also notes, and the Flood. Jakob Kelemina has collected stories, and many are summarized at Thezaurus, also known as Webzine Sloveniana.

Another good source site is Slovenian Mythology, , with multi-media contents.  The ancient ways of Carantania.  Go deeper.  Animals with golden horns, holy animals with horns (unicorn?) battles of light and darkness, all with echoes in other cultures including our own.  The Slavs are a linguistic group, not ethnic, see site at, but the idea of Slovenes as Alpine Slavs, the Vends as Elbe Slaves, etc. is entrenched.  This is a new area and I am no expert, but point out the issues for the professional culture-watchers.

The mythology, in small part:

The earliest inhabitants of earth were the giant Ajdi. See Studies in Slavic Myth, at  The lived singly, one family each, each on a mountaintop. They were big, but had no tools. They did have fire.

A download produces a PDF document in Slovenian, but the concept of original giants seems clear.  Their ancient Slovene (same as Carantanian?) God was one of many gods. 

God (who apparently had not himself created the Ajdi) slept and slept, and upon waking, his glance created the earth (that was nothing but barren rock), sun, moon and the stars. Setting out to examine the creation more closely, he tired eventually and, on returning, a grain of sand from the sea bottom fell from his nail and became earth.  A drop of sweat fell from his brow into the earth, and it became the first man. Lesson:  from his creation, man must earn by the sweat of his brow. God lived with the men and fed them manna, but the men did not enjoy themselves because they feared God and trembled.  So God left his body behind, which became fertile ground, and went to Heaven to reside. Men did not need manna, and grew their own food now, and were happy.

However, man soon became corrupt despite good bread and grain, so the gods decided to do away with them:  here comes the rain, the deluge, the rising waters.  There were four survivors, but we only know of the fate of one survivor, the one who had grasped a vine on top of a hill, and climbed, beanstalk style, later described as a buckwheat stalk.

Kurent, a particular god beloved by the Slovenes, saw the effort and was pleased and took pity on the surviving man. In exchange for a promise that the man would forever honor the vine and the buckwheat plants. The saved man settles on the Adriatic. He made a switch from the vine, and stuck it in the ground and there is still fine wine in that region.  He also, sowed the buckwheat in Kranjci (Kranj area, Kranj now is a prosperous city, commerce). Kurent the benefactor, remembered.